1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:07,380 Okay, so we've got um, we've got three presentations on copyright 2 00:00:07,380 --> 00:00:10,500 today. First, Ellen Neuhaus is going to lead off with a 3 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:14,070 presentation on Creative Commons of that Creative Commons 4 00:00:14,070 --> 00:00:19,050 Licensing: What, How, and Why? So that will be really, really 5 00:00:19,050 --> 00:00:21,990 good. That'll be from two o'clock to 2:25. And then a 6 00:00:21,990 --> 00:00:26,820 quick break and 2:30 to 3:10, I'll be doing Copyright 101, 7 00:00:26,850 --> 00:00:31,230 kind of a quick march through what copyright is all about, for 8 00:00:31,230 --> 00:00:34,860 educators and students. And then presentation three, Helen Harton 9 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:39,420 department is going to join us 3:15 to 3:45, to talk about 10 00:00:39,420 --> 00:00:43,080 academic ethics, and plagiarism. So they all kind of work 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,540 together, it's going to be a good day today. So I'm gonna 12 00:00:45,540 --> 00:00:47,100 turn it over to Ellen for hers. 13 00:00:47,750 --> 00:00:52,010 Hey, welcome to the first session of Copyright Day. And so 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,570 my session is Creative Commons Licenses: What, How, and Why? 15 00:00:56,870 --> 00:01:00,110 And why would you be interested in this, this session is going 16 00:01:00,110 --> 00:01:06,020 to cover two angles. So one is from a user. So there are 17 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:10,310 millions of Creative Common works or images that you can 18 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:15,260 use. And then also from the creator, like, how do I find out 19 00:01:15,260 --> 00:01:19,220 information so I can select a Creative Commons license for my 20 00:01:19,220 --> 00:01:26,660 item. And so, what I'm going to start out with a little 21 00:01:26,660 --> 00:01:30,440 background as to give you context. So background 22 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,070 information, including open access movement, scholarly 23 00:01:34,070 --> 00:01:38,330 communication lifecycle, Creative Common licenses, and 24 00:01:38,330 --> 00:01:41,330 then a little bit about public domain, and how does that 25 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:50,660 intersect. So the open access movement started, like 30 years 26 00:01:50,660 --> 00:01:55,460 ago, and a Creative Commons organization and license is 27 00:01:55,460 --> 00:02:00,200 rooted in all this. And so the movement began really in 28 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,310 response to the high cost of journals, other scholarly 29 00:02:04,310 --> 00:02:08,570 publications, and databases by traditional publishers. So there 30 00:02:08,570 --> 00:02:12,800 are some journals, they're like $10,000 per year, there are some 31 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:19,220 databases there $300,000 per year. And so over the years, the 32 00:02:19,220 --> 00:02:22,640 movement has grown as an alternative to the traditional 33 00:02:22,670 --> 00:02:25,970 publishing. And now there are thousands of open access 34 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:35,630 journals. And it has more or expanded into open data and open 35 00:02:35,630 --> 00:02:41,150 science, so more openness. And the open data and science, for 36 00:02:41,150 --> 00:02:47,210 example, traditional publishers will, no, publishers will often 37 00:02:47,210 --> 00:02:52,700 require that the data set that the researcher uses goes into an 38 00:02:52,730 --> 00:02:56,300 open repository. And that's becoming more and more of a 39 00:02:56,300 --> 00:03:02,150 requirements. Open science also into repositories of data so 40 00:03:02,150 --> 00:03:08,480 that the science can be reproduced. Also, part of the 41 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,140 open access movement is greater emphasis and support in higher 42 00:03:12,140 --> 00:03:18,860 ed to create open educational resources or OERs, used in K 12, 43 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:23,450 as well as higher ed. And tomorrow, I'm putting a plug in 44 00:03:23,450 --> 00:03:26,210 for a couple of sessions that Anne-Marie is going to give 45 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,220 about what's happening at UNI with regard to open educational 46 00:03:31,220 --> 00:03:36,770 resources. Now stepping back to the scholarly communication 47 00:03:36,770 --> 00:03:44,120 lifecycle. This is all connected to Creative Common licenses. And 48 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,350 so the orange phase one is data collection and research 49 00:03:48,350 --> 00:03:53,390 analysis. So the researcher is gathering information. They used 50 00:03:53,390 --> 00:03:59,450 two, three, where the authors write the articles. This is 51 00:03:59,450 --> 00:04:02,390 where the Creative Commons license comes in. Or if you 52 00:04:02,390 --> 00:04:07,820 create images or media, this is where the Creative Common 53 00:04:07,820 --> 00:04:13,160 licenses come in. They stream publication and dissemination. 54 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,570 This is an example where ScholarWorks, the institutional 55 00:04:17,570 --> 00:04:21,950 repository, is a part of the third phase. And then phase four 56 00:04:21,980 --> 00:04:26,180 is storage archiving and preserving long term and that's 57 00:04:26,180 --> 00:04:28,580 where ScholarWorks also comes in. 58 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:35,390 And then what's left but 59 00:04:38,690 --> 00:04:40,070 neither button is working 60 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:50,930 on it probably is. 61 00:04:56,930 --> 00:05:01,640 Okay, so Creative Common license or organization, there's a 62 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,790 website. And there's a lot of information about Creative 63 00:05:04,790 --> 00:05:09,680 Commons licenses on this website. And Creative Commons is 64 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,130 a nonprofit organization that works to increase the amount of 65 00:05:13,130 --> 00:05:18,830 work that is available, freely available, and legal sharing and 66 00:05:18,830 --> 00:05:26,450 use and repurposing and remixing of different works. So with 67 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:29,840 Creative Common licenses, you retain the copyright of your 68 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:36,050 work. So that's an important thing to know. But you are 69 00:05:36,470 --> 00:05:40,220 allowing people to use your work. So that's really 70 00:05:40,220 --> 00:05:45,230 disseminated. So Creative Commons licenses may be applied 71 00:05:45,230 --> 00:05:51,320 to any paperwork like image, video, media, books, articles, 72 00:05:51,710 --> 00:05:55,610 and whoever is the copyright owner can assign a Creative 73 00:05:55,610 --> 00:05:59,960 Commons license, you select which license you want to use, 74 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,700 and this license will clearly tell the user what they can and 75 00:06:04,700 --> 00:06:10,820 cannot do. So there are six different types of Creative 76 00:06:10,820 --> 00:06:15,200 Common licenses. And on the website, there are tutorials and 77 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,610 information that will go in more depth, there's a tutorial that 78 00:06:19,820 --> 00:06:25,070 will work you through to help you select whatever license 79 00:06:25,070 --> 00:06:28,910 would meet your particular needs. And so, with all six of 80 00:06:28,910 --> 00:06:35,960 the licenses, it is meant to be able to freely disseminate the 81 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,610 work. And so, with all six of them, you have, but you have to 82 00:06:40,610 --> 00:06:45,920 give attribution to the original creator. Then there are three 83 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:52,460 different factors or attributes, and those three different 84 00:06:52,460 --> 00:06:56,900 attributes can combine to create different licenses. So, the 85 00:06:56,900 --> 00:07:02,480 three different factors share alike. So, you can have your 86 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:08,420 work you know, people can use it, they can disseminate it, 87 00:07:09,020 --> 00:07:13,610 they can even rework it if you allow that, but the share alike 88 00:07:13,610 --> 00:07:18,200 means if you rework it or modify it, you have to share the 89 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:23,480 reworked work with the same Creative Common license as the 90 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:29,510 original work. Then there is non-commercial. So if you do not 91 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:34,100 want it to be used commercially, you can assign the 92 00:07:34,100 --> 00:07:39,980 non-commercial factor or attribute. And then also there 93 00:07:39,980 --> 00:07:44,420 is no derivative. So if you don't want any derivatives made 94 00:07:44,420 --> 00:07:49,430 of the work, you can clearly state that. And so there are 95 00:07:49,430 --> 00:07:54,530 different combinations. And it goes from broad at the very top, 96 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,180 which will, just says that you need to give attribution so 97 00:07:59,210 --> 00:08:06,650 people can use, redistribute, they can modify the work, remix 98 00:08:06,650 --> 00:08:12,350 it and that's the most broad, and then as you go down, it gets 99 00:08:12,350 --> 00:08:16,550 more and more restrictive. And at the very bottom, people can 100 00:08:16,550 --> 00:08:20,630 use and disseminate, eight, but they can't use it commercially, 101 00:08:20,660 --> 00:08:22,940 and they cannot make any derivatives. 102 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:34,041 Okay, so I also want to talk about the public domain, and I 103 00:08:34,129 --> 00:08:39,641 want step back. So right. If you were writing an open textbook, 104 00:08:39,728 --> 00:08:44,628 you might want to make sure that you do not have the 'no 105 00:08:44,715 --> 00:08:50,315 derivatives' you want to make it more freely available so people 106 00:08:50,402 --> 00:08:55,652 can rework the work. And so that's where your specific needs 107 00:08:55,739 --> 00:09:01,339 come into play. What exactly do you want or don't want people to 108 00:09:01,426 --> 00:09:06,851 do? Now, the public domain is something that is different than 109 00:09:06,938 --> 00:09:12,450 a Creative Common license. But with open educational resources, 110 00:09:12,538 --> 00:09:17,875 all open educational resources need to either have a Creative 111 00:09:17,962 --> 00:09:23,474 Common license to allow people to use it and rework it. Or they 112 00:09:23,562 --> 00:09:28,899 need to be in the public domain. And so the public domain is, 113 00:09:28,986 --> 00:09:34,061 refers to materials that are not protected by intellectual 114 00:09:34,148 --> 00:09:38,785 property laws, such as copyright, trademark or patent 115 00:09:38,873 --> 00:09:44,035 laws. And the public owns these works. And anyone can use a 116 00:09:44,122 --> 00:09:49,284 public domain work without obtaining permission. They're in 117 00:09:49,372 --> 00:09:53,921 the public domain. Now, works created by the federal 118 00:09:54,009 --> 00:09:59,171 government are in the public domain, as well as older books 119 00:09:59,258 --> 00:10:04,770 and materials. And it used to be like 1923 and before, but most 120 00:10:04,858 --> 00:10:10,195 recently, the copyright law is now inching forward. And every 121 00:10:10,282 --> 00:10:15,182 year another years worth is being pulled into the public 122 00:10:15,269 --> 00:10:20,344 domain. So at this point, it's 1926 or older that's in the 123 00:10:20,431 --> 00:10:25,681 public domain. So how, how does it work? And how do you find 124 00:10:25,768 --> 00:10:30,755 works with Creative Common licenses? So Creative Commons, 125 00:10:30,843 --> 00:10:36,005 and I have a handout on the table if you want. And it gives 126 00:10:36,092 --> 00:10:41,342 a little bit more information about what is Creative Commons 127 00:10:41,429 --> 00:10:46,679 Commons. But Creative Commons provide free easy to use legal 128 00:10:46,766 --> 00:10:51,403 tools that give everyone so individual institution, a 129 00:10:51,491 --> 00:10:56,915 commercial company that owns a copyright, and gives everyone a 130 00:10:57,003 --> 00:11:02,340 simple, standardized way to pre clear usage rights to work so 131 00:11:02,427 --> 00:11:08,026 that they own copyright to. And so a Creative Commons license is 132 00:11:08,114 --> 00:11:13,713 not an alternative to copyright, you retain the copyright of the 133 00:11:13,801 --> 00:11:18,963 item, they apply on top of copyright. And so right, you are 134 00:11:19,050 --> 00:11:24,475 modifying your copyright terms to suit your needs the best. So 135 00:11:24,562 --> 00:11:29,637 getting a license is easy. So the organization has created 136 00:11:29,724 --> 00:11:34,799 these licenses, that anyone can come and assign a Creative 137 00:11:34,886 --> 00:11:39,698 Common license to their works. And the website has more 138 00:11:39,786 --> 00:11:45,035 information and tutorials. Now, looking at another angle, if 139 00:11:45,123 --> 00:11:50,635 you're just looking for Creative Common works to use the images 140 00:11:50,722 --> 00:11:55,709 or media or other things that you have, and right, so you 141 00:11:55,797 --> 00:12:01,046 might want to look for Creative Common work so that you know 142 00:12:01,134 --> 00:12:06,296 exactly what you can and can't do. And you might be able to 143 00:12:06,383 --> 00:12:11,633 modify and use these works for your own, as long as you give 144 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,532 attribute and then follow whatever the license says. So 145 00:12:16,620 --> 00:12:21,869 there is a search engine or portal, Open Verse. And I have a 146 00:12:21,957 --> 00:12:27,206 screenshot I'll quickly show you. There's Wikimedia Commons, 147 00:12:27,294 --> 00:12:32,631 which is a large database of Creative Common license, images, 148 00:12:32,718 --> 00:12:37,880 media, as well as things in the public domain. So even now, 149 00:12:37,968 --> 00:12:43,217 people might create an image and they might assign it to the 150 00:12:43,305 --> 00:12:48,029 public domain. Some people do that. And with Wikimedia 151 00:12:48,117 --> 00:12:53,541 Commons, it tells you exactly more information about about the 152 00:12:53,629 --> 00:12:58,616 item. And then also what creative common license you need 153 00:12:58,703 --> 00:13:04,215 to use, or if it's in the public domain. And reminding everyone 154 00:13:04,303 --> 00:13:08,940 that UNI ScholarWorks and other bepress institutional 155 00:13:09,027 --> 00:13:14,452 repositories contain items with Creative Commons licenses, not 156 00:13:14,539 --> 00:13:19,964 all of the items. And I would say the majority of the items in 157 00:13:20,051 --> 00:13:25,126 ScholarWorks don't have Creative Common licenses, but it's 158 00:13:25,213 --> 00:13:30,200 available for people who want to assign them. So here's a 159 00:13:30,288 --> 00:13:35,537 screenshot of open verse. And so I've typed 'stack of money' 160 00:13:35,625 --> 00:13:40,874 looking for an image, you can then limit to image or images, 161 00:13:40,962 --> 00:13:46,124 and then you'll find images, maybe on that particular item. 162 00:13:46,211 --> 00:13:51,198 And all of these should have some type of Creative Common 163 00:13:51,286 --> 00:13:56,623 license. Here's an older search portal that you can still use 164 00:13:56,710 --> 00:14:02,309 and very similar to Open Verse. And you can limit to like Google 165 00:14:02,397 --> 00:14:07,821 Images, Wikimedia Commons. Now, why, what are the benefits for 166 00:14:07,909 --> 00:14:13,246 assigning Creative Commons to your work or using or trying to 167 00:14:13,333 --> 00:14:18,670 find Creative Common items? So selecting the license provides 168 00:14:18,758 --> 00:14:23,220 an easy way to manage your copyright and allows the 169 00:14:23,307 --> 00:14:28,644 material to be shared and reused under terms are flexible and 170 00:14:28,732 --> 00:14:34,419 legally sound. And so there have been lawsuits regarding Creative 171 00:14:34,506 --> 00:14:39,493 Common licenses and commercial companies not using things 172 00:14:39,581 --> 00:14:44,743 correctly. It also tells the user exactly what they can and 173 00:14:44,830 --> 00:14:50,255 can't do so it's it helps direct the proper use of however you 174 00:14:50,342 --> 00:14:55,679 want your item to be used and allows you work to have broader 175 00:14:55,767 --> 00:15:00,754 reach and impact. So open access...something can still be 176 00:15:00,841 --> 00:15:05,828 open access but not have a Creative Common license and If 177 00:15:05,916 --> 00:15:11,078 it's open access, it will have broader reach and impact and 178 00:15:11,165 --> 00:15:16,327 maybe more citations, more people can see and use the work. 179 00:15:16,415 --> 00:15:21,489 So Creative Common licenses, there's a smaller set of open 180 00:15:21,577 --> 00:15:26,039 access items. But Creative Common licenses are also 181 00:15:26,126 --> 00:15:31,026 allowing your work to have broader use and more impacted 182 00:15:31,113 --> 00:15:36,363 reach. Now from the angle of using Creative Common works, if 183 00:15:36,450 --> 00:15:41,700 you're a student, educator, scientist or creator looking for 184 00:15:41,787 --> 00:15:46,599 content, you can freely and legally use. There's a huge 185 00:15:46,687 --> 00:15:52,111 pool, a large pool of Creative Common item, or Creative Common 186 00:15:52,199 --> 00:15:57,273 license item, items, content available to you, millions of 187 00:15:57,361 --> 00:16:02,610 works. And if you use these items, you will know exactly how 188 00:16:02,698 --> 00:16:07,947 to use the work. Here's a list of images I used. And I don't 189 00:16:08,035 --> 00:16:10,310 know if there's questions? 190 00:16:16,630 --> 00:16:20,170 I have a question about scholarly journal articles, 191 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,920 sometimes I've seen a Creative Commons license on them is that 192 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,860 because the author selected a Creative Commons license, or the 193 00:16:26,860 --> 00:16:28,330 journal may require that? 194 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:34,180 Right, it might depend. And so oftentimes with journals, they 195 00:16:34,180 --> 00:16:38,080 will just say, if you publish in this journal, we're going to 196 00:16:38,110 --> 00:16:42,100 assign, you retain the copyright. But we're assigning a 197 00:16:42,100 --> 00:16:46,720 Creative Common license. And so we have a couple examples of 198 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,800 that in ScholarWorks. So Universitatis, which is no 199 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:56,590 longer active, but a journal by faculty and staff and students 200 00:16:56,590 --> 00:17:02,770 at UNI, the journal itself had a Creative Common license 201 00:17:02,770 --> 00:17:08,080 assigned, it was non commercial. And then there's Pedagogy and 202 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,310 Theater of the Oppressed journal, which is out of 203 00:17:12,370 --> 00:17:16,000 Communication and Media Department. And that has a 204 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,380 Creative Common license also assigned, the journal itself. 205 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,530 So does that mean the same license is applied to every 206 00:17:23,530 --> 00:17:24,490 single article? 207 00:17:24,900 --> 00:17:30,963 Yeah, in that case, but there could be different variations. 208 00:17:31,064 --> 00:17:37,632 So right, in in the cases that I gave, the individual art authors 209 00:17:37,733 --> 00:17:43,796 still retain the copyright. But the journal, it has required 210 00:17:43,897 --> 00:17:49,657 that the authors assign the Creative Common license, even 211 00:17:49,758 --> 00:17:55,215 though the authors retain the copyright. A traditional 212 00:17:55,316 --> 00:18:01,278 publishers are angling in for open access. And so they have 213 00:18:01,379 --> 00:18:07,846 author fees. I mean, people can have an open access article in a 214 00:18:07,947 --> 00:18:13,404 traditional publisher, oftentimes, but you have to pay 215 00:18:13,505 --> 00:18:19,770 like three, $3500 an article. And so the money instead of made 216 00:18:19,871 --> 00:18:25,934 by the subscribers is being made by the authors. And then in 217 00:18:26,035 --> 00:18:32,098 those cases, I've seen Elsevier journals, even and and other 218 00:18:32,199 --> 00:18:37,757 major publishers, then that particular article, not all 219 00:18:37,858 --> 00:18:44,022 articles out of that particular journal, but that article, is 220 00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:50,186 available open access with a Creative Common license. There, 221 00:18:50,287 --> 00:18:52,410 yep. So I don't know, 222 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,320 I've just been thinking about this, because you've given me an 223 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:01,630 idea. So I have on academia.edu I have a lot of my articles up 224 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,320 articles from which I own the copyright. Good. How would I 225 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,760 then put a Creative Commons license on top of that, so 226 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,650 people know that how they could use it? 227 00:19:13,650 --> 00:19:19,032 Right, and so, right, so as an individual and institution or 228 00:19:19,121 --> 00:19:24,952 commercial company, you can sign Creative Common licenses. And so 229 00:19:25,042 --> 00:19:30,065 I'm just reminding you like ScholarWorks, if you deposit 230 00:19:30,155 --> 00:19:35,178 your works in ScholarWorks, you can elect to also add to 231 00:19:35,268 --> 00:19:40,381 Creative Common license, and then there is the graphic of 232 00:19:40,471 --> 00:19:46,033 whatever license that you have licensed and the information is 233 00:19:46,122 --> 00:19:51,594 right there. You know, with with whatever the work is. As an 234 00:19:51,684 --> 00:19:57,156 individual you can also modify your work and add that symbol. 235 00:19:57,246 --> 00:20:02,359 But you're doing it as an individual. So the organization 236 00:20:02,448 --> 00:20:08,190 has the information, but they don't manage, it's self selecting, 237 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,810 You have to fill out you have, I'm trying to remember do you 238 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:14,960 have to fill out something on their website. No, you just... 239 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,530 No, you don't need to do that. With ScholarWorks we're not 240 00:20:18,530 --> 00:20:23,930 going through the organization. But within the system, we have a 241 00:20:24,260 --> 00:20:28,160 drop down menu that we can pick one of the different license. 242 00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:30,290 Yep. 243 00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:35,780 Within, on the same trail, within the Creative Commons 244 00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:42,860 selection for copyright, there is absolutely no fee for what 245 00:20:42,860 --> 00:20:44,690 we're selecting to add to our work. 246 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,920 No, there is no fee at all. And so it's a nonprofit 247 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:55,100 organization. And there is no fee, they have just come up with 248 00:20:55,100 --> 00:21:02,960 the information. And then people can select and then use the 249 00:21:03,050 --> 00:21:05,150 different licenses. 250 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:13,730 What would public domain? What, what would protect a public 251 00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:17,540 domain item from derivative? 252 00:21:18,740 --> 00:21:19,910 There is no protection. 253 00:21:19,910 --> 00:21:25,790 So if, if a government document is public domain, I can go in 254 00:21:25,790 --> 00:21:27,470 and change data? 255 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,860 okay, so I'm trying to think, 256 00:21:33,420 --> 00:21:37,020 well, I can't, you can't go and change the original item. But 257 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:40,620 there have been publishers, many of them very successful. Take 258 00:21:40,620 --> 00:21:43,650 government documents, take all the information out of them, 259 00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:45,390 republish them and sell them. 260 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:47,760 So and they can do that because it's public domain. 261 00:21:47,820 --> 00:21:52,080 And also the classic books, you know, the in the public domain. 262 00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:57,420 Publishers will read, you know, have different binding reformat? 263 00:21:58,050 --> 00:22:04,770 What's the legal parameter that protects alteration of a public 264 00:22:04,770 --> 00:22:10,020 domain? I can't publish, or you can't go Shakespeare? 265 00:22:10,510 --> 00:22:14,320 Yeah, I mean, you can't go in and change what already exists. 266 00:22:14,350 --> 00:22:17,560 The assumption, I guess, is that there's plenty of copies of 267 00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:20,140 Shakespeare and the original out there, but if you want to write 268 00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:22,990 an abridged version, or translate it into Klingon, 269 00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:26,830 there's nothing to stop you. You don't even have to say it was 270 00:22:26,830 --> 00:22:29,590 originally by [inaudible] I suppose but that would be 271 00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:31,870 unethical, which is an entirely different thing. 272 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:37,240 So some of these other issues might come into play. You know, 273 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:43,840 if you then rework something and then don't, yeah, whatever you 274 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:49,540 decide to do. I guess it might depend, like ethical issues, 275 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,430 And where are those ethical issues defended? I guess it's my 276 00:22:54,760 --> 00:23:00,280 question If if they exist, are they litigated? Or is it just 277 00:23:00,340 --> 00:23:01,360 frowned upon? 278 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,740 I think these are going to be very good questions for Helen 279 00:23:05,740 --> 00:23:12,340 and her presentation later on. But yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, you 280 00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:14,710 would be frowned upon if you tried to claim authorship 281 00:23:14,770 --> 00:23:18,880 amulets, but if you translate it into Klingon, and then said, you 282 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,040 were the translator, that's perfectly fine. 283 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,140 And you can incorporate public domain items into a Creative 284 00:23:25,140 --> 00:23:33,660 Commons product that you share. Then there are going to be 285 00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:37,770 portions of that that are subject to restrictions, ethics, 286 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:42,150 that's where you get into to citation. So if you cite it 287 00:23:42,150 --> 00:23:45,690 properly, go ahead and use it. But you can't it won't be 288 00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:48,930 copyright you because you're citing it back to the original. 289 00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:54,480 And so we're running out of time. So thank you very much.